Please think with me, I can't take a decision

Hello guys, I just started to learn trading but as you know it is a very long process and needs very hard work to start printing money. However, I know a friend of mine (whom I met online but is in my country) who somehow manages other people’s FX accounts. I think of buying a challenge with the 5ers (5k$) and handing the account to him. He NEVER offered me to buy an account for him to manage, but I just know because he is chatting with me about what he does in life like friends chatting, not business.

He says that for other people he takes a 50% profit share of what he does. My confusion here (which I can’t ask him because it would sound cocky) is: why doesn’t he buy as many challenges for himself to keep all the profits? If he deems himself to be that profitable, why would he want to deal with other people and give himself a headache? That’s the same question I ask myself before I deal with course sellers. What do you guys think?

N.B: I am willing to pursue a career in trading but I will consider that money as temporary until I find my edge in the market.

To be honest, it sounds like a scam.

Vale said:
To be honest, it sounds like a scam.

I know but it is not.

Dallas said:

Vale said:
To be honest, it sounds like a scam.

I know but it is not.

Really now? Because if this person takes 50% of profits, how much does he reimburse for a lost challenge account? Nothing, right? So this is a scam. This person trades with zero risk; he can blow your account and walk away. But if he profits, he gets the benefits.

It IS a total scam because you’re taking 100% of the risk for 50% of profits. He takes 0% risk for 50% of profits.

@Valen
I think you’ve answered your own question.

Dallas said:

Vale said:
To be honest, it sounds like a scam.

I know but it is not.

You’re as gullible as they come. You’ve already answered your own question. Without the proper license, what he’s doing is outright illegal. Instead of running it solo and managing multiple accounts of his own, he’s involving others, breaking the law, and giving up 50% of his profits in the process. Honestly, someone needs to punch you in the face.

  1. Don’t do it.
  2. Trading is a long-term business and not something you will see success with in a couple of weeks.
  3. Invest in your education, not challenges.

Kelby said:

  1. Don’t do it.
  1. Trading is a long-term business and not something you will see success with in a couple of weeks.
  2. Invest in your education, not challenges.

I am an engineering student who doesn’t have the time to have a job, and my family’s financial situation is not that good. I would never buy a challenge until I have an edge in backtesting, but I will use my profit share to help me learn more (this is my whole narrative).

@Dallas
Point number 1 was don’t do it.

Do you think money falls from the sky?

No.

If your financial situation is bad, do not turn to trading for quick improvement. You will make it worse. Guaranteed.

@Kelby
1,000% facts.

@Dallas
The good news is, engineers tend to do well in trading. Just put logic before emotion on this one. People are very emotional about money. You can’t be. That being said, don’t expect to make real money any time soon. It’ll take years. But, engineers tend to do well in trading.

You need to start thinking more like an adult doing business and less like a kid who snuck into the cookie jar. This game of trading will eat you for lunch if you don’t get those emotions under control first and foremost. This includes fear, excitement, greed, impatience, etc. Not that you’ll never feel an emotion, but you control them, and not let them control you.

I used to teach Forex classes and lost $70K in real money and another $85K in potential profits from selling too soon. When I lost my first $10K, it took a few years. I was making the same mistakes over and over. Then, after I figured out Forex, my ego got the best of me with crypto where I lost another $60K despite being very good at trading. Even the pros screw up.

I say this because here’s your first lesson:

  1. NEVER trust anyone who doesn’t talk about their losses. NEVER.
  2. Always, always get proof of claims and make sure they don’t “doctor” the proof.

Now, as far as whether to let someone else manage your money or not, this scenario sounds like two kids playing in a sandlot if I’m being honest. Given that, I’d say don’t. If you don’t want to learn, then just put your money in an index fund in the stock market and go about your life.

If you want to learn, then your first year at the very least should be with paper money (fake money) on a demo account. You have to remove your emotions from this to win at it, and losing real money will make those emotions much worse. Never start with a live account.

Also, if you’re broke and doing this because “OMG OMG you need money NOW,” then don’t. Get a job first. That desperation will bankrupt you.

If you have the money to spend, spend it on tutors and courses. When I first started well over 15 years ago, I paid $2K for a tutor, and it was the best $2K I ever spent. Despite that, I went on to lose $10K in Forex… even when knowing better. All thanks to emotions and my ego. It’ll only be harder if you don’t have an idea of what’s going on.

In closing, do not even think of making real money with this for the first year at least. That’s not your goal. Always, always start this journey when you can afford to pay rent and buy groceries. The reason 90% of retail traders lose is they get into it for an “OMG” moment and don’t stick with it through the failures. No matter what a course says, you won’t master this market in the first year. And if we’re being real, it’ll take several years to get really good at it. No different than college.

If all that didn’t scare you away, then hope your journey is an awesome one. :slight_smile:

RIP money.

I think it can depend.

I’m assuming that he’s either already bought the max limit of accounts and is trading them personally (I believe max limit is 20 in futures props like apex) or he is only able to have 1 account under his name.

I know that for CFDs, certain popular props like FTMO don’t allow you to use the same strategy in more than 1 account under your name.

And many other CFD props only allow you to have 1 type of account under your name.

So maybe he’s already explored that route and is now expanding the business by trading for other people.

There is also the case where your emotional connection is different when trading for yourself and trading for others. I think you may “lock in” better when trading for others.

Just my thoughts.

If you want to start a journey in the trading world, you have to think long term. Let’s say this is not a scam… what if your friend stops giving this service of “account” management? You didn’t learn anything in the meanwhile, and you have to start again, having lost time.

You have to learn before making profits.
Earn while learning is not something sustainable.
Trading is the only profession in which you won’t learn a dime until you’ve gone through all the ups and downs.

If you feel comfortable with that, it’s okay. If not, choose another industry.